Matrix baby!

[ArmorDeth]

Bullside and I will be at the theater shortly. After a couple of beers! :D

Anyone else?

ArmorDeth

[Chadly]

Yeah myself and a few friends will be at a 7:20 showing tonight. I'm not expecting a whole lot, but at this point I just want to see how they wrap it up.

-Chad

[snipegrzywa]

Might go tom., prob this weekend.

[LilianNiN]

Hitting a 9:45 with some friends.

I hope it doesn't suck.

[Rahl]

Already saw it.

This morning at 9am.

All I'll say is...I want a MAX suit like they use in the movie.

[Duuk]

Saw it at 1 pm. Def better than the second movie. I'd say it's the best movie I've seen in a long while.

[rev]

This movie is like a horse taking a shit. It's utterly disgusting, but you keep watching regardless.

The large battle scene was very impressive, but the overall stream and consistency of the movie is absolutely absurd and has more holes than a Bankok whore house.

[LilianNiN]

It's at least worth your cash and time.

Go see it.

[PrymeWolf]

I just got back from it from a 1015 showing and my god I love it.

[l3lizz4rd]

This movie is like a horse taking a shit.
Well, what if you're into that kind of stuff?

[ArmorDeth]

Well, what if you're into that kind of stuff?


Sick sick man. Guess i need to upload my halloween sheep costume.

Can anyone say Monica Bellucci? Yummy!

ArmorDeth

[LilianNiN]

Can anyone say Monica Bellucci? Yummy!
That quote deserved emphasis. :)

[Kytana]

I have to admit I loved the movie but the ending I'm still not sure whether or not I liked it. I found myself almost mad when it ended and I was leaving the theater. If you look at it face value, you see no problem. Look deeper though..................

[l3lizz4rd]

Heh, I really liked it a lot. Just take it for what it was, not what you wanted it to be. :wink:

[Ganked]

Ok I was (and still am) on some great pain killers from a little procedure I had earlier this week but I thought it was great. :twisted:

[Bernout]

Just got home from seeing it and loved it! I'm definitely going to see it once more in the theaters. :D

[Drizzt421]

Woulda seen it tonight, but a friend couldn't, and kibble didn't want to.

[snipegrzywa]

Just got home, some idiotic points, but i thought it was great. Nice way to finish it off.

[rev]

Hey, don't get me wrong the special effects are downright amazing from a technical and artistic point of view. I just think knowing as much time and planning that went into the movie, as a whole, that they could of come up with a much better plot and storyline.

But, hopping back on the special effects bandwagon. What makes the special effects in this movie stand out? Simple... their color balance and even shaders throughout the movie. They did an amazing job keeping the colors of all the digital entities as realistic as possible. On top of that the physics and movement of digital elements were near pristine. For the special effects alone I would love to see the movie again. But, I am still sickened by the lack of cohesive mindset that the movie forces onto you. The Oracle character really bothers me... it's so vague and misdirecting that it almost is not worth the time on screen - as I see it as a waste of time in the movie when better points could be made with different content. I will give ya this, though.... in the first movie the thought of the Oracle was novel. In the second it was a bit mysterious and interesting... but in the third the character just really became extremely distant and too vague to be helpful in any way.

I see the Oracle as the perfect example of what's wrong with the third movie. They try not to be too kindergarten in making their cosmic points but they end up over-complicating the most simple of points. They end up expressing notions that they think the majority of their fan base need their hands held to understand what is occurring the movie instead of having a lot of faith. They had a perfect balance of faith in the audience in the first movie. Their use of comic-book'esk angles and sets in the first movie really set it apart and created a great disconnected, yet intrinsic feel to the movie. They lost this in the third movie, completely... the movie had a, I hate to say it, but a feel of Disney obviousness. "There's a door... I better go into it..." Letting you know the obvious in case you, the audience, are not quite sure that the character is considering entering the door.

Call me critical and picky, but I just think they could of been a lot smarter with the script and overall storyline. They could of used less characters instead of adding more characters to develop their points... by using less characters, much like the first movie, more time can be spent developing those characters - and if done well, the audience should begin to learn traits and habits of the character and be able to quickly ascert why the character is doing what they are doing and what they might do next.

*Sigh* Dammit... they had a great chance to make an extremely historic movie, but they ended up creating digital mastery with network-series, lack-luster drama and pitiful intelligence. :(

[Alucard]

Just remember of course that this isn't supposed to be "the end".

Matrix-Online is comming, and picks up where Revolutions left off. Hopefully the devs for that game put a flowing story in it, otherwise, I'll just go play the Specialists.

[snipegrzywa]

What's left to tell?? Either they rebuild, machines and humans get along, machines did the clean up of the matrix already, they can keep whoever doesn't want out, and all live happily ever after. Or teh rebuild, machines and humans get along for a little bit, matrix is cleaned up, they dont let anyone else out, and we go to the 7th war or whatever it is. Couse from what i could tell is that this has happened 6 other times, but the one never did what Neo did, and thats make a deal with the computer mastermind. So its either a cycle that continues or its now over. (And if its a cycle then it will get really boring fast)


O, ya, if you haven't seen it yet and you are mad that i said anything you didn't want to know then kill me in-game.

[Flattfoot]

Got back a little bit ago from watching this.... you know, I feal dumber and less fullfilled as a person having seen that movie. There were some sceens I and the other audience members flat out burst out laughing at. I just knew at any moment they were going to break out into another Ewok Mud-people rave at the end. The fact that they didn't only added to my dissapointment.

One thing I couldn't understand is why they felt they needed to include all these insignificant people to the plot.

Links wife... WFT was that all about. Mixing explosives at the kitche table is great plot development and wouldn't you want to reload that rocket launcher while you were in the tunnel...

The ammo boy... Yea, he was insignificant in the second movie, does that mean you have to give him another insignificant role in this one?

The orical... If I had a chance at a new body or "Host" why would I pick another old lady who smokes?

If an EMP was the most effective wepon I had againt the machines, wouldn't I keep a few more of them around other than the ones on the hover ships?

Anyway, I'm done venting.. gona get some sleep.

[rev]

Flatfoot, do not try to make sense of their madness.

[Rahl]

Exactly Flattfoot, you hit my biggest problem with it....there is not enough plausable content to make me take the movie seriously. There is no logic to the decisions the characters make. They are morons.

No sane group would have chosen the general who was leading to defend humanity. The man was a moron. The city's defenses were a joke. What asshole forgot to put a shitload of dangerous weapons evey 5 feet along the inside of that dome wall? Why was there not a crapload of EMPs laying around?

Yeah, lots of plot holes. But, it was pretty.

[rev]

Yeah, lots of plot holes. But, it was pretty.

Precisely... as much as I hate the swiss cheese storyline and plot, I still went to see it again for a second time tonight. The wifey wanted to see it.

[Flattfoot]

I do have to agree with you. The big mecha things were kick ass. I guess you could say this was a special effects wet dream.

[Jivan]

The EMP thing was explained when the Hammer used it. It fried most of the human equipment as well....maybe they still should have had one in reserve, but the plan was to fall back deeper into the city.

Ther are still alot of holes thet require leaps of faith though...not everyone (including me) will accept them.

[LilianNiN]

*Cough*

"EMP" isn't very descriptive... They could have designed smaller-scale devices, especially to discharge at/near the point of expected entry. But... It's a movie.

I saw it again Friday, by the way.

[Chadly]

Maybe they didn't have enough EMP blasts because they didn't have many CR3+ commanders. And maybe I'm a complete dork.

-Chad

[snipegrzywa]

LOL, maybe.

Also, I'm not saying i know anything about EMP's but i believe they only work on running programs. So set one off, then charge another one, have back-up defense and stuff on seperate generators, and when you use one emp turn all the backups on. I may be way off the mark, so I'm shutting up now.

[Rahl]

Haha, ther is no maybe. You are a dork...haha. But, I think this whole thread is there with you man.

[elana]

No sane group would have chosen the general who was leading to defend humanity. The man was a moron. The city's defenses were a joke. What asshole forgot to put a shitload of dangerous weapons evey 5 feet along the inside of that dome wall? Why was there not a crapload of EMPs laying around?

Exactly. They should have had EMP devices deployed in all those tubes along the way. Wait til the squiddies get close then blow them. I mean if you know eventually the enemy might attack you in force, you build a series of defensive rings with choke points. There last defensive perimeter was a joke, just some welded scrap metal which the squids would destroy in like 30 seconds.

Also, what asshat designed their mechs? Closed cockpit anybody? I mean, what, did they want to be able to wear rexo armor? :)

And another thing, in the first movie, the EMP was their only defense. In the second movie, the squiddies figured out how to defeat it, but at the same time, it would seem that this future human society figured out how to make slug throwers :). Because those are certainly more complex than an effective EMP device :).

Maybe there was some sort of arms reduction treaty with the machines. I mean, why else would the machines, who clearly outgunned Zion for some time, just leave it alone. Did they not know where it was? How's that possible, I mean damn, with those hundreds of thousands of squids, they could just send a few down every tunnel and methodically search (Very machine like behavior imho)


Yeah, lots of plot holes. But, it was pretty.

During the course of the movie I was able to forgive most of the plot holes except for one. The whole process by which Neo ended up in the control of the Marivinjen. He's in the physical world, and then suddenly by using his powers he ends up at some half way point? That doesn't make the damndest bit of sense.

What they should have done was end the second movie with having him jack out, but not actually make it out. Then reveal the bit about him being able to destroy squiddies with his mighty mental powers early on in the 3rd movie after they got him out.

[elana]

I do have to agree with you. The big mecha things were kick ass. I guess you could say this was a special effects wet dream.

Yeah, but I'm sick of movies that try to dazzel me with special effects and glaze over the weak plots. The exact opposite of this is the Lord of the Rings. Granted, they have a tried and true source for material, but they learned how to use effects in a way that enhances the story, rather than tries to stun me into quiet acceptance of their bad writing.

[l3lizz4rd]

During the course of the movie I was able to forgive most of the plot holes except for one. The whole process by which Neo ended up in the control of the Marivinjen. He's in the physical world, and then suddenly by using his powers he ends up at some half way point? That doesn't make the damndest bit of sense.
I guess I have to bring forth my geekdom and explain what I think to be true about that situation...

The Oracle tells Neo that his powers are always connected to the source no matter what. When he entered the source he got some kind of WiFi connection in his head, allowing him to be in contact with the matrix at all times. Now, through the matrix he is always in contact with every other machine, if we assume that all machines are "networked". That's why he can see everything in gold and whatnot because he knows the location of everything attached to the machine network, Agent Smith, Sentinels, the Big Floating Baby Head, etc. And that's why he can stop a lot of them just by thinking it. The oracle also said that he wasn't ready yet to realize his wireless capabilities yet and that it should've killed him. Maybe when he used his powers he didn't quite understand yet how to get his conciousness in and out safely. He then somehow hit a roadblock at Merv's little train station because it was an "illegal" uncharted part of the matrix.

I'm just gonna stop now. But that's basically what I think.

[Jivan]

I can buy into that Bliz. It makes sense from the tidbits given by the Oracle.

[Alucard]

The orical... If I had a chance at a new body or "Host" why would I pick another old lady who smokes?

They only did this because the person that played the original Orical died.

[martyr]

Oracle.

[Drizzt421]

I haven't seen it but from what you say the best way to describe it is Lucasitus. As in George Lucas. You make a great plot in the beginning, but by then end, they've got multimillion dollar specail effects, but the story is forgotten.

Just my 2 certs.

[PrymeWolf]

I beg to differ on the story being forgotten. The whole point was for "The One" to come save them and he did. That was the story and in the end he saved them, as long as the machines keep their word.

[DeathKiss]

Can a machine lie, does that not break logic.

[martyr]

i can make any program take data, manipulate it to serve its needs, and report it back to a user. that would be lying, i think

[elana]

The orical... If I had a chance at a new body or "Host" why would I pick another old lady who smokes?

They only did this because the person that played the original Orical died.

Not entirely true. They had been considering changing the actress that played the oracle anyhow, but weren't going to because they liked her so much. Then she died and that rather simplified the decision.

[martyr]

They had been considering changing the actress that played the oracle anyhow

haha, thats cool

[LilianNiN]

Can't believe I forgot to bring this up...

The Matrix Revolutions soundtrack was horrible. Go back and listen to the original The Matrix sound track, and then even The Matrix Reloaded soundtrack... they were very becoming.

And, by the way, I was saddened when the credits rolled, but Rage Against The Machine was no where to be found.

Suitable in terms of theme, maybe, but I was still disappointed.

[LilianNiN]

Hmm. (http://www.angelfire.com/goth2/lilysov/matroxlol.jpg)

[l3lizz4rd]

And, by the way, I was saddened when the credits rolled, but Rage Against The Machine was no where to be found.
Um, that was my biggest gripe of the entire film. I was so curious to see which RATM song they had chosen for the finale.

I was sitting there at the end thinking, I wonder how they're gonna work the Rage song in at the end, it's gonna be a little weird.

...


...


...and then there was no Rage song.

Needless to say, my jaw dropped. And then I shook my head.